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sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 18	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:12:00 - [1] - Quote Ok here's what you do. You and another guy get your swarm launchers wait for the tank to hold still while it starts shooting people Tell the other guy to lock on but not fire when you are both locked on, fire on your mark and keep firing I have used this tactic with a friend of mine (echo_1991) with him in proto and me adv So instead of the tickle of 5 missiles there is a deadly volley of 11. Per 1.2 seconds. we have downed many glowing tanks using this tactic I only used 1 enhaced damage mod (5%) and be uses a complex(10%) If you try to 1v1 a tank you are a moron because he will only shoot you if he sees you as a threat if you 3v1 a tank you will probably cause him to panic and f*ck up his escape and get stuck on a railing or cargo box Swarms still work and AV grenades are for LAVs Replace the swarm with a plasma cannon in the tactic if you are fighting a 3x hardener shield tank He who breaks crutches
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 18	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:19:00 - [2] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: Ok here's what you do. You and another guy get your swarm launchers wait for the tank to hold still while it starts shooting people Tell the other guy to lock on but not fire when you are both locked on, fire on your mark and keep firing I have used this tactic with a friend of mine (echo_1991) with him in proto and me adv So instead of the tickle of 5 missiles there is a deadly volley of 11. Per 1.2 seconds. we have downed many glowing tanks using this tactic I only used 1 enhaced damage mod (5%) and be uses a complex(10%) If you try to 1v1 a tank you are a moron because he will only shoot you if he sees you as a threat if you 3v1 a tank you will probably cause him to panic and f*ck up his escape and get stuck on a railing or cargo box Swarms still work and AV grenades are for LAVs Replace the swarm with a plasma cannon in the tactic if you are fighting a 3x hardener shield tank So you think its balanced that you need 2-3 guys to take out 1 tank which is operated by a single person? You are delusional. But it's a TANK!! I doesn't matter if there is only one person operating it. Just think, tanks can't hack objectives so if you can keep the enemy off of the panel with a sniper, you win by default He who breaks crutches
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 18	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:25:00 - [3] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: The dark cloud wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: Ok here's what you do. You and another guy get your swarm launchers wait for the tank to hold still while it starts shooting people Tell the other guy to lock on but not fire when you are both locked on, fire on your mark and keep firing I have used this tactic with a friend of mine (echo_1991) with him in proto and me adv So instead of the tickle of 5 missiles there is a deadly volley of 11. Per 1.2 seconds. we have downed many glowing tanks using this tactic I only used 1 enhaced damage mod (5%) and be uses a complex(10%) If you try to 1v1 a tank you are a moron because he will only shoot you if he sees you as a threat if you 3v1 a tank you will probably cause him to panic and f*ck up his escape and get stuck on a railing or cargo box Swarms still work and AV grenades are for LAVs Replace the swarm with a plasma cannon in the tactic if you are fighting a 3x hardener shield tank So you think its balanced that you need 2-3 guys to take out 1 tank which is operated by a single person? You are delusional. Not only that but need ADV and PRO swarms for militia and STD tanks? Congratulations on addapting, but its still imbalancd. Lets make a deal. You can have your way and get a buff to AV. The only catch is that the marauder tanks get added in again remember? Those dark green tanks that required about 12 million sp to drive and costed 4 million isk each? yeah, the tanks that had about 14000 total HP with cycled hardeners and reps? Even if AV is stronger than before the nerf, you couldn't kill it. He who breaks crutches
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 20	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:44:00 - [4] - Quote If you want to pull the real life argument, go play a game that isn't science fiction. This game doesn't have an anti-tank missile (yet) and if current AV is buffed and vehicles stay the same, dropships would become COMPLETELY useless. ffs those get shot down by militia swarm alone He who breaks crutches
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 21	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:57:00 - [5] - Quote "At the moment" I hate when people say this don't think about right now because right now the game isn't done instead, think of what the finished product should be like with the logi LAVs back in order with the sniper enforcer tanks with the assault dropships You can't play rock, paper, scissors and say that scissors beats rock, am I right He who breaks crutches
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 21	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:02:00 - [6] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Yep, there is absolutely no reason to fit AV grenades anymore. 2 AV grenades will not kill anything. You aren't supposed to be able to, that is the point. it is a grenade, not a hand held bunker buster called C4 He who breaks crutches
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 21	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:13:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Yep, there is absolutely no reason to fit AV grenades anymore. 2 AV grenades will not kill anything. You aren't supposed to be able to, that is the point. it is a grenade, not a hand held bunker buster called C4 Then why use them? For when your swarm "almost killed that (tank/lav)", you can chuck another good amount of damage towards the enemy For those who don't follow, IT IS A BACK UP WEAPON FOR WEAKENED VEHICLE S He who breaks crutches
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 21	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:16:00 - [8] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Yep, there is absolutely no reason to fit AV grenades anymore. 2 AV grenades will not kill anything. You aren't supposed to be able to, that is the point. it is a grenade, not a hand held bunker buster called C4 what about LAV's? We need around 3 proto AV nades to take out a single militia LAV. Thats not a option anymore. That is because the baloch has way too much armor and THAT needs fixed He who breaks crutches
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 24	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:27:00 - [9] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: What have i done?????? Nothing, I just wanted to use a name that was familiar to the dark cloud He who breaks crutches
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 30	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:17:00 - [10] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: LUGMOS wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Well done CCP now complex damage mods are beeing toned down from +10% to +5%. This is another nerfbat to AV like if it wasnt bad enough. At the moment its allmost impossible to kill tanks but after the changes it will truly be impossible to do it. Most AV players run 2-3 complex damage mods with a proto weapon to actually be aible to put a dent into any kind of vehicle. We need a drastical raw damage buff for AV if this is actually going to get unchecked and im talking about a ~30% raw damage increase. Another thing ive noticed is that the forgegun is now officially stated as a "anti armor" AV weapon which means with the new proficency i will do LESS damage against shield tanks. So where is the proposed "anti shield" AV weapon? STAHP USING SWARMS AGAINST SHIELDS! I have no problem killing tanks with a DAU/2 assault forge with basic damage mods. I got swarms and forgeguns so stop it. And you dont get it that proficency skills will only increase damage against either armor OR shields. And the forgegun is stated as anti armor weapon. So proficency bonus for that will count against armor damage but not shields. There is such a thing as an anti shield av weapon it's called the PLASMA CANNON It gets a bonus against shield He who breaks crutches

sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 32	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:33:00 - [11] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: The dark cloud wrote: LUGMOS wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Well done CCP now complex damage mods are beeing toned down from +10% to +5%. This is another nerfbat to AV like if it wasnt bad enough. At the moment its allmost impossible to kill tanks but after the changes it will truly be impossible to do it. Most AV players run 2-3 complex damage mods with a proto weapon to actually be aible to put a dent into any kind of vehicle. We need a drastical raw damage buff for AV if this is actually going to get unchecked and im talking about a ~30% raw damage increase. Another thing ive noticed is that the forgegun is now officially stated as a "anti armor" AV weapon which means with the new proficency i will do LESS damage against shield tanks. So where is the proposed "anti shield" AV weapon? STAHP USING SWARMS AGAINST SHIELDS! I have no problem killing tanks with a DAU/2 assault forge with basic damage mods. I got swarms and forgeguns so stop it. And you dont get it that proficency skills will only increase damage against either armor OR shields. And the forgegun is stated as anti armor weapon. So proficency bonus for that will count against armor damage but not shields. There is such a thing as an anti shield av weapon it's called the PLASMA CANNON It gets a bonus against shield A AV weapon which needs to be reloaded after each shot is worthless if it doesnt provide high damage. And as it is now a Proto plasma cannon does less damage then a lvl 1 forgegun. Which means its useless. Well mister "I know everything", the caldari made the swarm and forge and av grenade to be effective against gallente vehicles, whi h have a sh*t ton of total HP that is armor based. The gallente made the plasma cannon and flux grenade to be effective against all forms of caldari vehicles which has high effective HP that is shield based My point is that the plasma cannon doesn't need to do as much damage as the forge because it doesn't need it I have killed many gunnlogis with my basic plasma cannon because i threw basic flux grenades first (1200 vs shield) and then shot the fuel cell on the back for an extra 40% damage. Something your forge gunner can't do because he is on a building and to slow He who breaks crutches
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 34	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:51:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: Well mister "I know everything", the caldari made the swarm and forge and av grenade to be effective against gallente vehicles, whi h have a sh*t ton of total HP that is armor based. The gallente made the plasma cannon and flux grenade to be effective against all forms of caldari vehicles which has high effective HP that is shield based My point is that the plasma cannon doesn't need to do as much damage as the forge because it doesn't need it I have killed many gunnlogis with my basic plasma cannon because i threw basic flux grenades first (1200 vs shield) and then shot the fuel cell on the back for an extra 40% damage. Something your forge gunner can't do because he is on a building and to slow I'm willing to bet the entire contents of your wallet that you can't destroy me with a Plasma Cannon. How about it? Anyways, the Forge Gun has 4 rounds in a clip, and a higher ammo pool; while the Plasma Cannon only has a 1 round clip, and a smaller ammo pool. Not only that, the Plasma Cannon is restricted to CQC. And while your bringing up intentions from the 4 races, let me drop this onto the field: The Gallente weapons are always the ones that deal the most damage PS: the fact that it's single-shot alone means it should contain the most damage. But keep in mind that the plasma cannon is a light class weapon, and we don't have a heavy variant yet. If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 35	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:14:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: But keep in mind that the plasma cannon is a light class weapon, and we don't have a heavy variant yet. Meaning what exactly? Simply being a heavy weapon does not mean it should hold the most damage, especally when the Light Weapon has a single shot clip, lower ammo pool, an arc, and longer travel time. Also, are you up for giving me some free ISK? Being a heavy weapon DOES mean that it does more damage that light And no, because i know you have a decent amout of sp into tanks. Nova knives on the other hand, I already kicked you a$$ with. If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 38	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:19:00 - [14] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: Atiim wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: But keep in mind that the plasma cannon is a light class weapon, and we don't have a heavy variant yet. Meaning what exactly? Simply being a heavy weapon does not mean it should hold the most damage, especally when the Light Weapon has a single shot clip, lower ammo pool, an arc, and longer travel time. Also, are you up for giving me some free ISK? Being a heavy weapon DOES mean that it does more damage that light And no, because i know you have a decent amout of sp into tanks. Nova knives on the other hand, I already kicked you a$$ with. I have 0 sp in tanks and I am willing to bet you cant destroy my militia tank (Remember 0 SP invested) with proto swarms with 3 complex damage mods. I will be willing to give you all of the money in my wallet if you can do that. Challenge accepted, but under 1 condition. You can't go into your redline. If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 38	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:53:00 - [15] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Duran Lex wrote: It's all speculation anyways. We have no idea if anything has been changed with vehicles or AV. Until then there's no need to be afraid of the sky falling. Yes but alot of us saw what CCP is capable off. And most of the times we get thrown at with bollocks. Just look back at the flaylock before it got nerfbatted. It was OP as hell due to no testing, ignoring the majority of the community and then only reverse it when 200 topics about it have beeing posted. I could live with it if they would make seperate damage mods for swarm launchers/plasma cannon and forgegun which still have their old stats. Ya know like the vehicle damage mods which are specific for railguns,blasters or missiles. They already are- Heavy Light Sidearm And to be honest, there just shouldn't be a damage mod that goes on the suit that increases the damage of the weapon it is holding. Tanks make sense because the gun is part if it. Thank your stars they are still here and not just getting removed If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 38	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:57:00 - [16] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: Atiim wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: But keep in mind that the plasma cannon is a light class weapon, and we don't have a heavy variant yet. Meaning what exactly? Simply being a heavy weapon does not mean it should hold the most damage, especally when the Light Weapon has a single shot clip, lower ammo pool, an arc, and longer travel time. Also, are you up for giving me some free ISK? Being a heavy weapon DOES mean that it does more damage that light And no, because i know you have a decent amout of sp into tanks. Nova knives on the other hand, I already kicked you a$$ with. Well come on you made it out that you could kill tanks with the PLC like it was child's play. Is it the case or not? Or are you just talking scrub tankers that would be easy to kill with any old Av weapon? I am quite good with the PLC at any range and I get a good number of kills with it, but none of them are easy. I believe I can kill any tanker you put me against and will accept any challenges on friday in my channel "the huds" If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 39	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:18:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: I believe I can kill any tanker you put me against and will accept any challenges on friday in my channel "the huds" Well, you already chickened out of your PLC assertion, so I'm gonna challenge you to solo me with a Swarm. Loser pays 50m ISK, admits that they were wrong about AV, and has to leave the forums until 1.8 Deal? No, when I said challenges I didn't mean that you chose what I was using. only who I had to fight As long as that point is clear, yes I accept you challenge. If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 39	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:36:00 - [18] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: Atiim wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: I believe I can kill any tanker you put me against and will accept any challenges on friday in my channel "the huds" Well, you already chickened out of your PLC assertion, so I'm gonna challenge you to solo me with a Swarm. Loser pays 50m ISK, admits that they were wrong about AV, and has to leave the forums until 1.8 Deal? No, when I said challenges I didn't mean that you chose what I was using. only who I had to fight As long as that point is clear, yes I accept you challenge. Dont do it seb. You wont win. If I am allowed to use what I want, I will win. I know you can vouch for me when I say I have 1v1 a soma with a basic plasma cannon you were there when I did it If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 39	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:42:00 - [19] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: Atiim wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: I believe I can kill any tanker you put me against and will accept any challenges on friday in my channel "the huds" Well, you already chickened out of your PLC assertion, so I'm gonna challenge you to solo me with a Swarm. Loser pays 50m ISK, admits that they were wrong about AV, and has to leave the forums until 1.8 Deal? No, when I said challenges I didn't mean that you chose what I was using. only who I had to fight As long as that point is clear, yes I accept you challenge. lol so you would just get yourself a tank with 3 damage mods and a railgun and win the fight. Yeah good luck twatt. I promise I won't use tanks If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 39	Posted - 2014.03.06 00:07:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: No, when I said challenges I didn't mean that you chose what I was using. only who I had to fight As long as that point is clear, yes I accept you challenge. Then what would this battle accomplish? Forge Guns have already been declared as balanced, and it is you who says that your managing to do just fine with a Basic Plasma Cannon or a Proto Swarm Launcher right? Why do you refuse to put your money where your mouth is? Here is how it is probably going to go If you bring shield tanks, I will bring fluxes and plasma cannon if you bring armor tanks, I will brinv AV grenades and a swarm if you bring a double or triple hardened anything, I will remote you If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.

sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 39	Posted - 2014.03.06 00:25:00 - [21] - Quote Atiim wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: Atiim wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: No, when I said challenges I didn't mean that you chose what I was using. only who I had to fight As long as that point is clear, yes I accept you challenge. Then what would this battle accomplish? Forge Guns have already been declared as balanced, and it is you who says that your managing to do just fine with a Basic Plasma Cannon or a Proto Swarm Launcher right? Why do you refuse to put your money where your mouth is? Here is how it is probably going to go If you bring shield tanks, I will bring fluxes and plasma cannon if you bring armor tanks, I will bring AV grenades and a swarm if you bring a double or triple hardened anything, I will remote you I'll bring a Gunnlogi. It's not too late to take your friends advice you know. I don't like ruining people's reputation. But I guess it'll take someone who actually knows what they're doing to show you that PLCs and SLs are not viable AV weapons hmm? As long as you don't call the battle off half way through because of what I will be using If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 40	Posted - 2014.03.06 00:43:00 - [22] - Quote Atiim wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: As long as you don't call the battle off half way through because of what I will be using Sure. Just keep in mind that you have to use Infantry AV. The moment you pull out a tank or some crap like that is the moment the bet is off. Gonna really enjoy LMFAOing at your Plasma Cannon. sebastian the huds (kla-90 plasma cannon) Atiim If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 40	Posted - 2014.03.06 00:46:00 - [23] - Quote Zack3000 Smith wrote: Invite me I want to see this go down Chat channel "the huds" on friday, march 7 If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 40	Posted - 2014.03.06 00:56:00 - [24] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: Atiim wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: Zack3000 Smith wrote: Invite me I want to see this go down Chat channel "the huds" on friday, march 7 No. I have a better idea. We'll set up a thunderdome. I want the entire playerbase to see this one. i'll throw you 5mill if you let me hop on your tanks gun. literally hop ontop of it I want the best seats in the house. The best seat doesn't explode If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 40	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:12:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: Nelo Angel0 wrote: i'll throw you 5mill if you let me hop on your tanks gun. literally hop ontop of it I want the best seats in the house. I'll do it for free. I'm getting a 50m paycheck so it's not like I need your 5m anyways So long as I get a building to hide in I'm pretty sure I win If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 40	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:15:00 - [26] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Atiim wrote: sebastian the huds wrote: Zack3000 Smith wrote: Invite me I want to see this go down Chat channel "the huds" on friday, march 7 No. I have a better idea. We'll set up a thunderdome. I want the entire playerbase to see this one. Have mercy on that poor clone Atiim! He does not know what he's done! NOPE! If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 40	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:22:00 - [27] - Quote I know If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 40	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:38:00 - [28] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: This isnt gonna end well. He is gonna make him look silly. stfu, I gots a plan. If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.